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our first witness is mark kelly. he is a, first witness is mark kelly. he is a retired astronaut in u.s. navy captain. captain kelly recently cofounded americans for responsible solutions. this is an advocacy group that promotes solutions to prevent gun violence, and protect responsible gun ownership. did it with his wife, former congresswoman gabrielle giffords. so, captain kelly, please go ahead, sir. >> thank you, chairman leahy and ranking member grassley for inviting me here today . >> we are simply two reasonable americans who have said, enough. on january 8th of 2011 a young man walked up to gabby at her constituent event in tucson, leveled his gun and shot her through the head. he then turned down the line and continued firing. in 15 seconds he emptied his magazine. it contained 33 bullets and there were 33 wounds. as the shooter attempted to reload he fumbled. a woman grabbed the next magazine, and others restrained him. gabby was the first victim. christina taylor green, nine years old, born on 9-11-2001 was shot with the 13th bullet or after.
our first witness is mark kelly. he is a, first witness is mark kelly. he is a retired astronaut in u.s. navy captain. captain kelly recently cofounded americans for responsible solutions. this is an advocacy group that promotes solutions to prevent gun violence, and protect responsible gun ownership. did it with his wife, former congresswoman gabrielle giffords. so, captain kelly, please go ahead, sir. >> thank you, chairman leahy and ranking member grassley for inviting me here today ....
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in fact her husband mark kelly broke the news of today's gunfire in phoenix to everybody at that hearing. the national rifle association's executive vice president wane lap peer also testified there. we will hear from both sides coming up inside fox report. first though a u.s. senator denies any role in a case involving hookers, a private plane, and a wealthy eye doctor. fbi agents raided that doctor's clinic last night in south florida. sea long-time friend and donor to the democratic senator bob menendez of new jersey. he is the chairman of a powerful foreign relations committee. it's still not clear whether the raid involved the senator but it would not be the first time the two men have been linked. back in november, the conservative web site the daily caller interviewed prostitutes who said the senator paid them for sex in the dominican republic. the article claimed the senator flew to that country on the doctor's private jet. late today the senator's office acknowledged that he has traveled on that jet, but says that he paid for the trips properly. his office released a statement t
in fact her husband mark kelly broke the news of today's gunfire in phoenix to everybody at that hearing. the national rifle association's executive vice president wane lap peer also testified there. we will hear from both sides coming up inside fox report. first though a u.s. senator denies any role in a case involving hookers, a private plane, and a wealthy eye doctor. fbi agents raided that doctor's clinic last night in south florida. sea long-time friend and donor to the democratic senator...
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mark kelly is being asked questions by the panel. >> possibly been in the national instant background check system about him that would have prevented him from buying a gun through a background check. that's part of the solution. the other problem, let's say he was denied, denied the purchase of the gun which he purchased in november of 2010, it would have been very easy for him to go to a gun show and purchase a gun without a background check. so you know, there are several things that need to be done and in my opinion and in gabby's opinion, this is one of the most important things we must do to prevent criminals, terrorists and the mentally ill from having easy access to guns. closing the gun show loophole and requiring private sellers to require a background check before they transfer a gun is -- i mean, for us, i can't think of something that would make our country safer than doing just that. >> thank you. >> and mr. lapierre, in 1999 you testified by the house judiciary committee and you testified quote, nobody is more committed than we are to keeping guns out of criminals hands
mark kelly is being asked questions by the panel. >> possibly been in the national instant background check system about him that would have prevented him from buying a gun through a background check. that's part of the solution. the other problem, let's say he was denied, denied the purchase of the gun which he purchased in november of 2010, it would have been very easy for him to go to a gun show and purchase a gun without a background check. so you know, there are several things that...
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kelly. he told the panel cushing gun violence is a complex problem. but he says that is no excuse for inaction. >> when dangerous people get dangerous guns we are all the more vulnerable. dangerous people with weapons specifically designed to inflict maximum lethality upon others have turned every single corner of our society into places of carnage and gross human loss. jon: our next guest is the committee's ranking republican. he agrees we need some common sense reform but warns of the need to proceed with caution. >> we should not rush to pass legislation that will not reduce mass killings. banning guns based on their appearance does not make sense. the 1994 assault weapons bandied not stop columbine. the justice department found the ban ineffective. scholars have indicated that refining or expanding such legislation will not cut gun violence. jon: iowa senator chuck grassley joins us now live. senator, of the testimony you've heard so far today, what has had the most impact on you? >> wel
kelly. he told the panel cushing gun violence is a complex problem. but he says that is no excuse for inaction. >> when dangerous people get dangerous guns we are all the more vulnerable. dangerous people with weapons specifically designed to inflict maximum lethality upon others have turned every single corner of our society into places of carnage and gross human loss. jon: our next guest is the committee's ranking republican. he agrees we need some common sense reform but warns of the...
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former congresswoman gabrielle giffords and her husband captain mark kelly testified about the man who shot his wife in the head three years ago. >> the killer in the tucson shooting suffered from severe mental illness, but even after being deemed unqualified for service in the army an explulsion from pima community college he was never reported to mental health authorities. on november 30th of 2010 he walked into a sporting good store, passed a background check, and walked out with a semi automatic handgun. martha: boy, this is so central to the issue at hand right now, and is not getting the attention that it perhaps deserves. i'm joined by jonah goldberg editor at large for the national review, he's also a fox news contributor. and dr. keith ablow, a forensic psychiatrist. gentlemen, welcome. the fact that there is no intervention, that people are not reported to mental health, you know, administrators who could make some kind of judgment, perhaps, or enforce some kind of treatment is really none of these situations. if you go one by one would have happened if the gun didn't find it
former congresswoman gabrielle giffords and her husband captain mark kelly testified about the man who shot his wife in the head three years ago. >> the killer in the tucson shooting suffered from severe mental illness, but even after being deemed unqualified for service in the army an explulsion from pima community college he was never reported to mental health authorities. on november 30th of 2010 he walked into a sporting good store, passed a background check, and walked out with a...
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lapierrre will be testifying during a hearing that will include mark kelly husband to gabrielle giffords who was shot by one of the deranged criminals who had all too easy access to a gun. joining me now is virginia tech shooting survivor, collin goddard. thank you so much for being here this evening. >> thanks for having me. >> john: is this a new low, do you think attacking the father of a child who was killed at sandy hook? >> there's really no place for anything like this in this discussion or debate. we can be disagreeable. we can disagree without being disagreeable, excuse me. saying things like that reflect poorly on gun owners and men as human beings. >> john: this might be the new m.o. for the hard core pro gun supporters. i'm not talking about the reasonable nra members the majority of whom support the majority of the president's proposed revisions in the laws. but attack the victims and hope they won't speak up. now you've done a lot of work in this field with the brady campaign. have you been the victim of any of the personal attacks? >> unfortunately, i have. i've had a lot
lapierrre will be testifying during a hearing that will include mark kelly husband to gabrielle giffords who was shot by one of the deranged criminals who had all too easy access to a gun. joining me now is virginia tech shooting survivor, collin goddard. thank you so much for being here this evening. >> thanks for having me. >> john: is this a new low, do you think attacking the father of a child who was killed at sandy hook? >> there's really no place for anything like this...
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mark kelly, the husband of former congresswoman gabrielle giffords, joins us next. and former adviser to the romney campaign, dan senor, is here. keep it right here on "morning joe." [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. i just served my mother-in-law your chicken noodle soup but she loved it so much... i told her it was homemade. everyone tells a little white lie now and then. but now she wants my recipe [ clears his throat ] [ softly ] she's right behind me isn't she? [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. in the middle of the night it can be frustrating. it's hard to turn off and go back to sleep. intermezzo is the first and only prescription sleep aid approved for use as needed in the middle of the night when you can't get back to sleep. it's an effective sleep medicine you don't take before bedtime. take it in bed only when you need it and have at least four hours left for sleep. do not take intermezzo if you have had an allergic reaction to drugs containing zolpidem, such as ambien. allergic reactions such as shortness of breath or swelling of you
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she and her husband mark kelly, the former astronaut, founded a big political action committee exercise last year, basically up veiled it last month with the expressed purpose of advocating gun control laws and come batting the nra wane wayne lapierre testified today well. lapierre says he opposed background checks at gun shows. everybody knows that the polls show that hunters and huntsman think it's good deal. gun control have gas roots and way better professional lobbying effort than the gun control crowd. a ban on semiautomatic rifles is going to be really really tough especially for democrats in red states. now even limiting high ammunition magazines is going to be met with a ton of resistance, bill. >> rosen, there is a story floating around, we have not covered it because it might not be fair. senator robert menendez of new jersey, a friend of his is in big trouble. fbi raided the friends' home in florida today. and there is some unsavory stuff floating around. be careful, rosen, but tell me what you know not speculation about this story. >> all right. bill, we know as an indisput
she and her husband mark kelly, the former astronaut, founded a big political action committee exercise last year, basically up veiled it last month with the expressed purpose of advocating gun control laws and come batting the nra wane wayne lapierre testified today well. lapierre says he opposed background checks at gun shows. everybody knows that the polls show that hunters and huntsman think it's good deal. gun control have gas roots and way better professional lobbying effort than the gun...
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mark kelly who's the husband of a victim of gun violence, he's going to be there. he's obviously been somebody who's been outspoken in terms of what they would like to do in terms of future things. the other thing, republicans were able to put two of the panelists on there. it's the first conversation that will spark many other hearing at the judiciary committee. >> i want to close by talking about two articles from you all. some of your latest piece pieces. first one perry, on the agree owe, on debt ceiling obama forces republicans to blink. >> their policy they call it the boehner rule. for every dollar increase in this debt ceiling we have to have a dollar in cuts to match that. the president said earlier this month, i'm not doing that anymore. we are not going to keep negotiating over the debt ceiling. this is our obligation over. the republicans have conceded the president had won the argument and are now -- this week they ebb extended the debt ceiling with no accompanied spending cuts. the republicans will cede that issue to him. >> your latest article, mitt
mark kelly who's the husband of a victim of gun violence, he's going to be there. he's obviously been somebody who's been outspoken in terms of what they would like to do in terms of future things. the other thing, republicans were able to put two of the panelists on there. it's the first conversation that will spark many other hearing at the judiciary committee. >> i want to close by talking about two articles from you all. some of your latest piece pieces. first one perry, on the agree...
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she will be joined by her husband, mark kelly. they face off with wayne lapierre. it's the first senate hearing on gun violence. >> the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. >> i'd like to be able to sit down with the nra at some point and talk to them about this. i know a lot of members of the nra. i've thought about joining at one point. this is just happening way too frequently. we can't have another 20 first graders murdered in their classroom. >> lapierre has released the statement he plans to deliver today. unsurprising will he, he will denounce a proposed assault weapons ban. somewhat more surprisingly, he will come out aggressively against the background checks bill which a lot of folks thought the nra would quietly not fight too hard. he'll say this "law abiding gun owners will not accept blame for the acts of violent or deranges. criminals, have been around for over 100 years. background checks will never be universal because criminals will never submit to them." giffords and kelly will appear on the panel several weeks afte
she will be joined by her husband, mark kelly. they face off with wayne lapierre. it's the first senate hearing on gun violence. >> the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. >> i'd like to be able to sit down with the nra at some point and talk to them about this. i know a lot of members of the nra. i've thought about joining at one point. this is just happening way too frequently. we can't have another 20 first graders murdered in their classroom....
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her husband, captain mark kelly, a former astronaut, and one of the new leaders in the fight for gun control. he's going to be on as is the head of the national rifle association, wayne la pierre, exclusive interviews with both. i know this is a fool's errand, but i'm going to try to talk about is there some common ground we can find here. i know you report it every day, you know, this one act of violence after another, someone going into a school or a mall or a place of work or something. isn't there something we can agree on to do to try to lessen the chances of that happening? >> shepard: chris wallace, we'll see you sunday. we'll be right back. >> shepard: we showed you this picture a short time ago. this is the first picture that we've received of the suspect in the kidnapping in alabama. this is the man who police allege shot and killed a bus driver, then snatched a child, took him into a bunker and three days later, he's still there. i can't even imagine. >> oh, my goodness. >> >> shepard: become part of this family. have a niece that age. when i think about it, my skin crawls
her husband, captain mark kelly, a former astronaut, and one of the new leaders in the fight for gun control. he's going to be on as is the head of the national rifle association, wayne la pierre, exclusive interviews with both. i know this is a fool's errand, but i'm going to try to talk about is there some common ground we can find here. i know you report it every day, you know, this one act of violence after another, someone going into a school or a mall or a place of work or something....
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you're going to be talking to mark kelly, who we saw in the hearings this week on gun control. and you're also going to be speaking to wayne lapierre of the nra. these were very emotional hearings over this weekend. what do you want to talk to them about on sunday, chris? >> well, i guess, you know, look, every day you guys, because you cover it every day, there is another act of violence. another person who, you know, walks into a school, walks into a mall, walks into a work place, and starts shooting it up. you know, really? can we do nothing about it? is it impossible to? i don't know that i know necessarily what the answer is, whether it is more background checks. whether it is better mental health. the president obviously refused to call out his friend on in hollywood about all the violence and videogames and movies. can we, is it possible, and i hope, and in expanded you know, half an hour of fox news sunday, the first half hour when we talk to the two guests is it possible to find any common ground, sensible solutions? i know lapierre will never go for an assault weapons
you're going to be talking to mark kelly, who we saw in the hearings this week on gun control. and you're also going to be speaking to wayne lapierre of the nra. these were very emotional hearings over this weekend. what do you want to talk to them about on sunday, chris? >> well, i guess, you know, look, every day you guys, because you cover it every day, there is another act of violence. another person who, you know, walks into a school, walks into a mall, walks into a work place, and...
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>> those people need to be in the system. >> are you and mark kelly on the same side of this issue? >> on the question of putting the mentally ill in the system, absolutely. >> we've got to go, but "the daily caller" has an interview with you, where you are quoted as saying that there have been threats made against your son and daughter in the wake of the deadly shooting in newtown. >> sure, against me and against wayne lapierre. >> what kind of threats? >> my son has the same name as i have and he has a facebook page, and somebody said that she should be killed. and he and my daughter responded -- i'm not a technical guy, so i'm not the guy to do this, and said that, actually, i'm not him, i'm his son, but both my sister and i agree that he's not that bad a guy and you probably shouldn't kill him. and they came back and said, well, since we know you're his children, we ought to kill you since he knows what it will feel like. >> i assume you've notified local police? >> we turn that stuff over, but what that's an example of not that somebody's going to kill me, because that's probab
>> those people need to be in the system. >> are you and mark kelly on the same side of this issue? >> on the question of putting the mentally ill in the system, absolutely. >> we've got to go, but "the daily caller" has an interview with you, where you are quoted as saying that there have been threats made against your son and daughter in the wake of the deadly shooting in newtown. >> sure, against me and against wayne lapierre. >> what kind of...
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mark kelly is in "the situation room." come on in, mark. we're going to talk about what happened today and where you stand on all of this right after this commercial break. ...tax time can ofbe...well...taxing. so right now we'll give you... ...$10 off any turbo tax deluxe level software or higher! find thousands of big deals now... ...at officemax. delicious. but say i press a few out flat... add some beef sloppy joe sauce... and cheese fold it all up and boom! i just made an unbeatable unsloppy joe pillsbury grands biscuits. let the making begin. until i got a job in the big apple. becoming a fulltime indoor cat wasn't easy for atti. but he had purina cat chow indoor. he absolutely loved it. and i knew he was getting everything he needed to stay healthy indoors. and after a couple of weeks, i knew we were finally home! [ female announcer ] purina cat chow indoor. and for a delicious way to help maintain a healthy weight, try new purina cat chow healthy weight. when the doctor told me that i could smoke for the first week... i'm like...yea
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but also james johnson, the chief of police of baltimore county, and captain mark kelly, astronaut, navy veteran, and the husband of congresswoman gabby giffords. gabby giffords, of course, was shot in the head by a mentally ill gunman in an assassination attempt in january 2011. today in an emotionally charged and at times contentious testimony, the most moving part of the day happen right at the very beginning with a surprise addition to the witness list as gabby giffords herself made her way down the aisle into the hearing room to deliver a short statement to the senators and the assembled media and the audience. this was a surprise today. it was clear that this was not something that was easy for her to do. >> okay. thank you for inviting me here today. this is an important conversation for our children, for our communities, for democrats and republicans. speaking is difficult, but i need to say something important. violence is a big problem. too many children are dying. too many children. we must do something. it will be hard, but the time is now. you must act. be bold, be courageou
but also james johnson, the chief of police of baltimore county, and captain mark kelly, astronaut, navy veteran, and the husband of congresswoman gabby giffords. gabby giffords, of course, was shot in the head by a mentally ill gunman in an assassination attempt in january 2011. today in an emotionally charged and at times contentious testimony, the most moving part of the day happen right at the very beginning with a surprise addition to the witness list as gabby giffords herself made her way...
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giffords and her husband, former astronaut mark kelly have now launched their own campaign for tougher gun laws. capitalizing on the public outcry that followed december's mass shooting at an elementary school in newtown, connecticut. >> after 20 kids and six of their teachers were gunned down in their classrooms at sandy hook, we said, this time must be different. something needs to be done. we are simply two reasonable americans who have said enough. >> ifill: but at today's hearings, national rifle association vice president wayne lapierre pushed back insisting that the real solution to gun violence is to enforce existing laws. >> unfortunately, we've seen a dramatic collapse in federal gun prosecutions in recent years. overall in 2011, federal weapons prosecutions per capita were down 35% from their peak in the previous administration. that means violent felons, gang members and the mentally ill who possess firearms are not being prosecuted. and that's unacceptable. proposing more gun control laws, while failing to enforce the thousands we already have is not a serious solution to
giffords and her husband, former astronaut mark kelly have now launched their own campaign for tougher gun laws. capitalizing on the public outcry that followed december's mass shooting at an elementary school in newtown, connecticut. >> after 20 kids and six of their teachers were gunned down in their classrooms at sandy hook, we said, this time must be different. something needs to be done. we are simply two reasonable americans who have said enough. >> ifill: but at today's...
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giffords and her husband, former astronaut mark kelly have now launched their own campaign for tougher gun laws. capitalizing on the public outcry that followed december's mass shooting at an elementary school in newtown, connecticut. >> after 20 kids and six of their teachers were gunned down in their classrooms at sandy hook, we said, this time must be different. something needs to be done. we are simply two reasonable americans who have said enough. >> ifill: but at today's hearings, national rifle association vice president wayne lapierre pushed back insisting that the real solution to gun violence is to enforce existing laws. >> unfortunately, we've seen a dramatic collapse in federal gun prosecutions in recent years. overall in 2011, federal weapons prosecutions per capita were down 35% from their peak in the previous administration. that means violent felons, gang members and the mentally ill who possess firearms are not being prosecuted. and that's unacceptable. proposing more gun control laws, while failing to enforce the thousands we already have is not a serious solution to
giffords and her husband, former astronaut mark kelly have now launched their own campaign for tougher gun laws. capitalizing on the public outcry that followed december's mass shooting at an elementary school in newtown, connecticut. >> after 20 kids and six of their teachers were gunned down in their classrooms at sandy hook, we said, this time must be different. something needs to be done. we are simply two reasonable americans who have said enough. >> ifill: but at today's...
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to give a sense of how it matched up, mark kelly and wayne la pierre, the ceo of the nra outlined the essence of the hearing. >> gabby and i are pro gun ownership. we are also anti-gun violence. rights demand responsibility. this right does not extend to terrorists. it does not extend to criminals and it does not extend to the mentally ill. when dangerous people get guns, we are all vulnerable. >> a third of our schools right now have armed security already because it works. more gun laws while failing to enforce the thousands we already have is not a serious solution for reducing crime. proposals that only serve to burden the law-abiding will fail again in the future. >> only a couple of times did wane la pierre get into it with a member of the committee. over the hours, it was a reasonable back and forth. it was not the fireworks that some people might have expected. while he opposes the universal background checks, he came with an argument to make saying over and over again, there not prosecutions of laws that are on the books, trying to put the pressure back on the justice departm
to give a sense of how it matched up, mark kelly and wayne la pierre, the ceo of the nra outlined the essence of the hearing. >> gabby and i are pro gun ownership. we are also anti-gun violence. rights demand responsibility. this right does not extend to terrorists. it does not extend to criminals and it does not extend to the mentally ill. when dangerous people get guns, we are all vulnerable. >> a third of our schools right now have armed security already because it works. more...
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on the other side, mark kelly, the husband of former congresswoman gabrielle giffords will thereby to support new gun control rules. and we hear now that giffords herself may speak at the beginning of that hearing. >>> developing story out of alabama. police trying to negotiate with a gunman who is holding a six-year-old boy hostage in an underground bunker. it all started at 4:00 p.m. yesterday in midland city. the 65-year-old suspect boarded a school bus, shot the driver, and grabbed a boy. >> he started telling him he needed a kid because something about the law coming after him. then he shot the bus driver and the driver's foot was gas and we went backwards and everybody started screaming and then the bus driver was still there and we just all got off the bus and went to a neighbor's house. >> gretchen: unfortunately the bus driver did die. swat team members still on the scene of that house. they've been communicating with the gunman. we're told the child needs medication and the suspect has allowed police to provide it. >>> check out this brand-new high-tech cargo airship being d
on the other side, mark kelly, the husband of former congresswoman gabrielle giffords will thereby to support new gun control rules. and we hear now that giffords herself may speak at the beginning of that hearing. >>> developing story out of alabama. police trying to negotiate with a gunman who is holding a six-year-old boy hostage in an underground bunker. it all started at 4:00 p.m. yesterday in midland city. the 65-year-old suspect boarded a school bus, shot the driver, and grabbed...
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. >> at the same hearing giffords' husband mark kelly pushed forward requiring background checks but wayne la pea year of the national rifle association said criminals never submit to them. >> we're going to make all the law-abiding people go through the system and we're not going to prosecute any of the bad guys if we do catch one, and none of it makes any sense in the real world. >> requiring private sellers to require a background check before they transfer a gun is -- i mean for us, i can't think of something that would make our country safer than doing just that. >> during his testimony kelly made reference to another shooting in arizona. a gunman opened fire at a phoenix office yesterday. one person was killed. two others were wounded. and the gunman is on the run. >>> city officials in newtown, connecticut, where 26 people were shot dead at an elementary school are calling for tougher gun control measures. hundreds attend add hearing last night and randall pinkston reports. >> reporter: skyla lewis set the picture of her son jesse. he was among the 26 killed at sandy hook elem
. >> at the same hearing giffords' husband mark kelly pushed forward requiring background checks but wayne la pea year of the national rifle association said criminals never submit to them. >> we're going to make all the law-abiding people go through the system and we're not going to prosecute any of the bad guys if we do catch one, and none of it makes any sense in the real world. >> requiring private sellers to require a background check before they transfer a gun is -- i...
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mark kelly yesterday. >> i'm a strong supporter of the second amendment as anybody on this panel. my wife would not be sitting in this seat, she would not have been sitting here today if we had stronger background checks. >> stephanie: the "washington post" did a piece perhaps the most important moment in yesterday's senate hearings when mark kelly directly confronted wayne lapierre over the shooting of his wife and another one involving dick durbin. lapierres argument was completely unmasked. he repeatedly voiced the talking point there is no need to expand the background system because criminals don't cooperate. kelly said he said his plan was to assassinate my wife. but because of the gaps in the mental health system those -- we would have likely failed a background check. if we require private sellers to complete a background check and we get those records into the system we will prevent these kinds of crimes. good for him. mark kelley again yesterday. >> he did not have access to a high capacity magazine and the same thing happened christina tailor green would be alive today.
mark kelly yesterday. >> i'm a strong supporter of the second amendment as anybody on this panel. my wife would not be sitting in this seat, she would not have been sitting here today if we had stronger background checks. >> stephanie: the "washington post" did a piece perhaps the most important moment in yesterday's senate hearings when mark kelly directly confronted wayne lapierre over the shooting of his wife and another one involving dick durbin. lapierres argument was...
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americans are counting on you. >> giffords' husband, mark kelly, also testified. so did nra head juan wayne la p and also the chief of baltimore county, the chairman of the national law enforcement partnership to prevent gun violence. he joins us right now. chief, you are really on the front lines of this gun debate so i want to ask you, if you could get one thing, change one thing when it comes to guns and gun violence, what's the one measure you would choose? >> well, it's definitely going to be a universal background check. i think most in law enforcement would agree that a universal background check certainly would make it more difficult for people who are trying to get weapons, keep them out of their hands. in fact from 1994 to 2009, nearly two million prohibited purchases were stopped. so we know this is going to work. obviously increasing penalties for those who try to straw purchase for someone else, i really think this will have a tremendous impact. >> so wayne la pierre of the nra doesn't agree with you. at the hearing yesterday he said that criminals wi
americans are counting on you. >> giffords' husband, mark kelly, also testified. so did nra head juan wayne la p and also the chief of baltimore county, the chairman of the national law enforcement partnership to prevent gun violence. he joins us right now. chief, you are really on the front lines of this gun debate so i want to ask you, if you could get one thing, change one thing when it comes to guns and gun violence, what's the one measure you would choose? >> well, it's...
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they go with wayne la pierre who is bombastic and strident and following gabbie gifford and especially mark kelly, her husband who said that if there were background-- that gabby gifford would not have been testifying that day. i think there is a good chance on high capacity magazines. i mean when you've got military style assault weapons and high capacity magazines, they're intended for one person. and that is to inflict as much damage on human beings in as short as time as possible. that is what they are there for. i thought the president showed some presence when he talked about people grow og up with rifles. a 10-year-old receiving a rifle from his father. that there is not the demonizing of the other side, of people who have firearms as part of their family and tradition. i thought that show a certain maturity and i hope a political awareness. >> woodruff: we know the president is going to keep talking about this. he is due to go to minnesota on monday to talk about this, the gun issue again. david, you mentioned immigration. there was, you the bipartisan group of senators come out thi
they go with wayne la pierre who is bombastic and strident and following gabbie gifford and especially mark kelly, her husband who said that if there were background-- that gabby gifford would not have been testifying that day. i think there is a good chance on high capacity magazines. i mean when you've got military style assault weapons and high capacity magazines, they're intended for one person. and that is to inflict as much damage on human beings in as short as time as possible. that is...